Daf 5 — Chullin 5 Summary

Chullin 5 – Good Morning Raboisai Rava ( רבא ) – Oved Avodah Zarah & Shechita • Rava ( רבא ) held: Even someone who serves Avodah Zarah ( עבודה זרה ) → can still be a valid shochet • Proof attempted from: Yehoshafat eating by Achav Gemara’s Challenge • Maybe: Ovadiah ( עובדיה ) (a tzaddik) did the shechita • He saved 100 nevi’im ( נביאים ) → trustworthy Answer • Impossible: Too much meat to be shechted by one person • Also: Most of the people of Achav were resha’im • Principle: Leadership affects the nation → Leader רשע → people רשעים Further Challenge • Maybe: Yehoshafat’s people brought their own kosher meat • Answer: They were fully joined: • “ כמוני כמוך ” → we are one • “ כסוסי כסוסיך ” → same outcome in war Indicates full partnership Proof Attempt from Sanhedrin • Pasuk describes them sitting: “ בגורן ” • Not literal threshing floor Refers to Sanhedrin ( סנהדרין ) sitting in semicircle → Shows acceptance of halachic authority Attempted Proof from Eliyahu ( אליהו ) • Eliyahu was fed by “ עורבים (ravens)” Bread and meat morning & night • Suggestion: Meat came from Achav → proof you can eat from him Rejection • “ על פי הדיבור ” This was a neis from Hashem → Not a regular halachic case • Cannot derive halacha from miracles “ עורבים ” – Ravens or People? • Ravina ( רבינא ) : Literal ravens • Suggestion: Maybe two people named “ עורבים ” • Rejected: Unlikely naming + grammar issues Conclusion No valid proof for Rava ( רבא ) • Serving Avodah Zarah: Disqualifies New Proof Attempt • Beraisa: “ הכל שוחטין ” Includes: • Kusi • One without bris • Mumar Clarification – No Bris • If due to danger → kosher • If intentional ( מומר לערלות ) → still can shecht Shows one aveira doesn’t invalidate everything Case – Mumar • Appears: Even mumar can shecht • Suggestion: Even Oved Avodah Zarah allowed Rejection • A mumar l’Avodah Zarah : Is like denying entire Torah • Rule: כופר בעיקר (denies the foundation) → Cannot shecht Final Explanation • Beraisa refers to: Mumar l’teiavon ( לתיאבון ) • One who sins for desire Can still shecht (Rava’s earlier rule) Korbanos – “ מכם ” • Pasuk: “ אדם כי יקריב מכם ” • “ מכם ” excludes: Mumar ( מומר ) → Cannot bring korban Distinction • Mumar לכל התורה → cannot bring • Mumar לדבר אחד → may bring Seifa Clarification • “ חוץ מן המומר …” Refers specifically to: • מומר לעבודה זרה • מחלל שבת בפרהסיא Both = severe denial Rashi – Severity • Avodah Zarah → denying Hashem • Shabbos → denying creation Both considered fundamental rejection Final Proof ( רבי שמעון – Rabbi Shimon) • Only one who would regret: Brings korban • One who sins deliberately: Cannot bring Supporting Source • Another pasuk teaches: Only one capable of teshuvah mindset → brings korban Why Two Pesukim? • Needed for: Cheit (sin offering) Olah (offering) Each teaches separate din Key Takeaways • Initial attempt to allow Avodah Zarah shochet is rejected • Cannot derive halacha from miracles • Leadership influences entire nation • Mumar לַעֲבֹודָה זָרָה = total פסול • Mumar לְתיאבון can still shecht • Korban requires potential for teshuvah • Avodah Zarah & Chilul Shabbos = foundational denial Catch up, review, download previous Dafim & more: https://www.dafchazarah.co.uk Now available as an app (Apple, Google & Amazon): https://dafchazarah.co.uk/download Sponsor a day: https://dafchazarah.co.uk/sponsor לעילוי נשמת אמי מורתי רות בת הרב מנחם מנדל