Daf 81 — Menachos 81 Summary

Menachos 81 – Good Morning Raboisai The Core Case – Lost Todah vs Temurah A person brought a Todah and then made a Temurah (replacement animal). The two animals became mixed up, and one died. Now the remaining animal is a safek : • It might be a Todah → requires 40 loaves • It might be a Temurah → does NOT get bread Problem: • Cannot bring bread → maybe it’s Temurah • Cannot bring without bread → Todah requires bread Conclusion: No solution (so far) Attempt #5 – Bring Bread Outside the Azarah Suggestion: • Bring bread outside the Azarah • If animal = Todah → bread becomes kadosh at shechita • If not → bread remains chullin Problem: • Bread must be waved לפני ה׳ (inside Azarah) • Bringing it in might be chullin ba’azarah Attempt rejected Attempt #6 – Bring 80 Loaves (Chizkiyah) Suggestion: • Bring another animal • Bring 80 loaves • Use condition: 40 for each possible Todah Problem: • Causes ממעט באכילה • You shorten eating time improperly Not allowed Attempt #7 – Use Pregnant Animal Suggestion: • Bring a pregnant animal • Use mother + baby as possible Taidos Concept: עובר ירך אמו (Is fetus part of mother?) Problems: • Issue of מותר (extra korban) • Practical issues of shechting & bread matching Rejected Final Attempt – Accept New Neder Suggestion: • Accept a new Todah obligation • Bring another animal + 80 loaves • Use conditions to allocate bread Problem: • One should avoid making new nedarim • “ טוב שלא תדור משתדור ולא תשלם ” Also rejected New Mishnah – Funding a Todah Rule: A Todah must come from chullin (private funds) Cases: • Todah from chullin, bread from maaser → bread must also be chullin • Todah from maaser, bread from chullin → allowed • Both from maaser → (with conditions) But: • Cannot use maaser wheat directly • Must redeem into money and repurchase wheat Key Principle – Bread Depends on Korban If someone says: “I accept upon myself the bread of a Todah ” He must bring the animal as well Reason: • Bread cannot exist without a Todah Lashon (Wording) – First vs Last Words Case: “I will bring a Todah without bread ” • Beis Shammai → follow first words → must bring Todah + bread • Beis Hillel → consider full statement Concept: When a person contradicts himself: • Sometimes we follow initial intent • Sometimes final clarification Forcing Compliance If someone tries: • Todah without bread • Korban without נסכים Beis Din forces him to complete the obligation Maaser Sheni – Key Rule • Can use money of maaser sheni to buy Todah • Cannot directly use maaser produce (like wheat) Key Takeaways • Todah cannot exist without bread • Safek Todah vs Temurah → unsolvable case • Many creative attempts → all rejected • Bread is secondary but dependent on korban • Be careful with nedarim • Maaser rules depend on form (money vs produce)